The website over at
http://gillgeorge.wordpress.com/
Calling itself "defend the nhs"
Deleted a short critique of its position in their comments section
Really does show the lack of openness to debate, lack of belief in free speech, and lack of tolerance for folk who do not share their own views
These left wing nutters who believe in a communist model of healthcare centrally controlled and run for the benefit of the staff really have lost the plot
Playing on the publics desire for better healthcare they trade on slogans such as "defend the nhs"
We don't need to defend a failing institution, we need to defend the British peoples right to decent healthcare against all comers including Stalinist nutters who believe their own view is the only valid one
These people really are nutters, no where else in the developed world has copied the crap nhs, cos everywhere else can see it does not work, we have the UK at the bottom of all developed countries in terms of healthcare quality, and these nutters want us to have more of the same, I very humbly suggest we learn from the best of the rest of the world - and I can assure you if we do that Stalinist centralist state controlled nhs style care will not be the outcome, and the British people will be a whole lot better off
The current nhs based so closely on how Mao organised rice production in China will always lead to
i) False positive statistics from the managers telling us how great they are doing, how short the waits are, while at the same time folk needing treatment don't ever get on the lists, just as the managers always produced statistics telling Mao how high rice production was
ii) Shit non responsive low quality healthcare, just as the people starved from lack of rice when centralist top down control freakery was imposed on rice production in China
You see we have a failed communist model of running healthcare in this country which even the old communist superstates have long since rejected as a failed organisational structure and business model, we need a radical reform turning the NHS into a slim state guaranteed provider of medical insurance and all of the providers in a regulated free market, we do not need the state running production, we need patients given total control over their individual spend of the health insurance payouts forcing providers to compete and ramp up quality
Power to the patients!
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No one there is another system created in the image of the NHS and that is Canada. Interestingly they are opposed to private involvement and as a result tens of thousands flee to the US every year where they are forced to pay twice for their healthcare. Sound familiar? They ration healthcare in the same way we do, have crap employees and a crap service. You might think someone in whitehall would spot a trend and fundamentally change the funding system. No, they would rather not deal with the real issues and watch people die........
well i genuinely think there is a chance of winning over the senior conservatives to a radical change mindset, they know the nhs is stuffed, they dont have long to come up with viable sensible alternates
its our only hope in the short term
also canada may have problems, but from the comments at
http://notdrrant.blogspot.com/2008/08/been-reading-some-books.html
i deduce they are not as completely shit as the nhs over there
I have been to Quebec recently and 1 to 2 year waits for a hip is not unusual. I guess, as there is here, there could be regional variations. I dont think the people in Quebec would recognise the care described.
The rantlets have disappeared up their own asses again I see.......
yep ive had a dig at the rants for ignoring the piss poor or rather non existant service many of the patients get worrying about one poor medic, as important as he is i would have thought the whole population suffering shit medical industry is a bigger problem
i notice the bollocks at save the nhs have not deleted your comment yet, will await their reponse... no doubt they will refuse to debate as before
oh yea only been to vancouver myself never been near their medical world over there
funny niku shes left your comment on there
but all mine been removed, which started of as very polite comments, and which more lately have just taken the piss as she is so obviously not prepared to take any citical review
ah well
shame she is loosing the argument with the public cos they can all see how crap the nhs is
Totally with you on this guys.
My first reaction was, F*ck me! It's ME who needs defending against the a*seh*le NHS
I zapped over to this Gill lady's blog but couldn't find anywhere to tell her what I REALLY think.
All this elf n safety, PC gone berserk, solidarity, effnic diversity, it's-OUR-NHS...it's SOOOOOOO '80s!
It hasn't been anyones' NHS since the Management Mafia moved in over 20yrs ago.
The US actually scores lower for most healthcare measures than the UK despite its incredibly high cost. That is because itis PRIVATE medicine and companies are REQUIRED to make a profit. Don't know about you, but I don't want my tax to go to shreholders / directors. oh and the reason management produce cheery propaganda stating that everything is fine and targets are being met is that their jobs depend on it. Sack them, scrap the targets and watch the NHS flourish sans interference.
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scores by who?
i have lived in several places in the USA
and ive lived in several places in the UK
and ive got first hand experience of how rich AND poor folk get treated by all aspects of both medical systems
i dont need surveys or measures ive got real life first hand experience
and that 1st hand experience tells me that the USA is centuries ahead of the shambles in the UK
so i suggest you rethink
what a wonderfully 19th century outlook on life. I guess anon grows all their own food and knits clothing from sheep raised on the balcony of their council flat. Champagne socialism has got us to the disgusting place we inhabit. What a thoroughly ignorant post. Since the hospital in Tunbridge didn't have shareholders, what possessed these saintly public sector heros to kill 90 + patients through, what can only be described as complete neglect? If the hospital was a privately owned company it would be closed down and ALL the staff fired. NHS staff are crap BECAUSE they are public sector.
Sorry forgot. On your comment on US healthcare; like no one I too have lived in the States. The system there is decades ahead of the one here. It is constantly maligned to support the decaying shit NHS. With a much larger manufacturing base and a substantial hispanic and black community, much more prevalent than here in percentages, health outcome measurement is like comparing apples to oranges. But that's okay, keep lying through your teeth to maintain your cushy life, kill patients whatever. It is all worth making sure the slime in the service are okay.
And on your comments about targets. Yeah great idea, give a bunch of proven skivers the ability to exist in a complete vacuum and spend £100 billion a year without any oversight is so ridiculous I can only think it was a joke. My suggestion for the day is remove all road signs and suspend speed limits. It will make the traffic move faster. Right?
"and that 1st hand experience tells me that the USA is centuries ahead of the shambles in the UK"
Which would explain why, for example, life expectancy in the US is lower than in the UK?
http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa042000b.htm
Or isn't that a measure worth considering?
"Anon2" can quote as many out of date statistics as he likes. The fact is that the NHS is no longer "fit for purpose". Virtually every other European country has adopted a private insurance-backed system with the state acting as a safety net for those on lower incomes, and patients benefit enormously from this.
The US/private sector model of healthcare only works for the rich - for the middle classes let alone the ordinary working person US healthcare spells financial ruin for anyone who gets cancer, heart disease etc - see Michael Moore's 'Sicko' for the expose on the failures of isurance. And for the 40 million uninsured illness=death.
The NHS is one of the few worthwhile things in the UK, it must be saved from right-wing lunatics, Tories and New Labour.
From 'Nye Bevan was right'
who and where on this blog does it advocate the UK adopts the USA system of healthcare?
I dont and the blog doesnt
The NHS is a national embarrassment
Well this blog seems to advocate 'insurance-based healthcare' = US model. Is it a front for the disgraceful rip-off merchants who run insurance and banking in the UK?
Nye Bevan
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